Why does the article not have mostly harmless as its short description or otherwise summarize the article's content using it?
This has been discussed several times including (12345). The consensus is that it fails WP:42.
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Hi everyone! Sorry for raising this again, but I really dont see the Meteosat image, while of good quality, as superior to the Blue Marble.
Here is why:
Blue Marble is a representative identity like image
Too much land in Meteosat
Quality and colour are not significantly less in Blue Marble, especially for lay persons
Blue Marble has long been established in the infobox, newer images are nothing new at all and still have not been used until recently
Blue Marble was taken by a person, making it more human/relateable
The images are too similar, the common reader sees the Blue Marble in it anyway (I too didnt see that it is a different one) so I dont see the benefit in using it, its qualities are lost because of that
Focus on Sahara (in the Meteosat image) instead of the ocean (in the Blue Marble) is misleading regarding the ocean and cloud cover dominance on Earth
Polar region is better visible in Blue Marble
Slightky unusual angle, but still familiar due to the popularity of Blue Marble, portraits the different angles Earth can be seen while in orbit around it
We might now change every other day the image, because e.g. Meteosat will keep producing images that look slightly better to one or the other
It not only introduces Earth as a natural object, but also in a abstract way introducing its (human) history
I see in the past discussions since Talk:Earth/Archive 18 a leaning toward better colours, I too have been advocating for true colour photos for use in the articles of Solar System objects. But thats because we dont have a culturally recognizeable image for them.
Furthermore do I question the clarity of consensus, I would rather call it a leaning, especially because the discussion lay dorment when it was eventually changed (and then Artemis/Hello World distracted).
PPS: the point made about Blue Marble being a bit off colour/quality wise is better made (with e.g. the Meteosat image) in the Blue Marble article imho Nsae Comp (talk) 05:05, 22 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
PPPS: If anything I would note in the Meteosat image text that it is basically the same pespective as Blue Marble. As I said I also didnt realize that it was a different image.
Oh and I have to add another pro Blue Marble:
Earth is basically never seen full disc from space, so I like that Blue Marble has a hint of that, showing slightly the terminator
I just saw that the archived discussion did mention DSCOVR, but did not point towards a Blue Marble anniversary picture it took. So maybe this is a good compromise?
A color-corrected image of the Earth taken by the DSCOVR satellite on December 7, 2022, exactly 50 years after the original Blue Marble image.
To be honest, I think we should use a cropped version of the Meteosat photo. I propose using this image. The original version has too much space between Earth and the edge of the image. Epicazowski (talk) 18:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Btw I am sorry that I only now saw that in this old discussion DSCOVR was disqualified for lacking colour spectrum: Talk:Earth/Archive 15.
PS: going through the archive I start to like Meteosat for the reason that it gets rid of the discussion around Blue Marble and leaves it to the In culture section. Though reading the archive makes also clear that Blue Marble has been defended as the lead very strongly. So I think once again as so often on Wikipedia (and I love it for that) that all this be resolved when NASA will finally release an authoritative remastered image of Blue Marble as this (Talk:Earth/Archive 18 rfc clarified) non-authoritative remastered one:
...and maybe will even make a case for the original orientation ♡ ... sorry dreaming a bit aloud here:
Well I just found and uploaded a high quality version that NASA actually produced in 2015. Suprisingly it was not uploaded yet to the commons, therefore I dont think the previous discussions have adressed this version.
To my very blunt eye it looks the best colour balanced Blue Marble I have seen (maybe even incl. the older remaster on the commons). Though I must admit Meteosat is still a bit more crisp.
Ok, maybe I was a bit harsh. I think in the non-cropped version, there is too much space between Earth and the edges of the photo. — epicazowski (talk) 15:17, 2 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
What kinds of questions should we include in the FAQ about the image? I'd be more than willing to answer any questions as far as far as the making of the Meteosat image goes. Edits4019 (talk) 01:34, 5 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
There should be only one question about choosing the lead image. It should say that it was extensively discussed, with a clear reason why the lead image was chosen. Newberry Pie (talk) 16:19, 5 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
3 paragraphs in the lead, specifically the last three, lacked inline citations for content that could be challenged. I have tagged where said citations should be located, if anyone wants to help out. I won't do it myself, because for some reason, whenever I try to add a source nowadays, it's taken agonizingly long for the server to do anything. (Yes, I did tell Village Pump, but nobody responded before the discussion was archived). | One Reaction was here. Got a complaint? 20:43, 5 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
No comment on the citations, but your edit also introduces grammatical errors and undesirable writing. Earth is the third planet from the Sun and the only astronomical object known to harbor life. This, which is made possible by Earth being an ocean world, the only one in the Solar System sustaining liquid surface water. is very wordy for a lead sentence, running afoul of MOS:LEADCLUTTER by going in-depth on life on Earth. The sentence should be split. Almost all of Earth's water is contained in it's oceans is grammatically incorrect. It's is a contraction of it is, which is not a possessive pronoun. The sentence should use its and read Almost all of Earth's water is contained in its oceans. Newberry Pie (talk) 21:31, 5 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@OneReaction5890:, the content in the lede if sourced in the article's body, which is considered acceptable per WP:LEDE. If there's something in the lede that's not directly mentioned in the body (which there might be, I haven't done a full review of the article's text) it should either be removed completely as being likely undue weight, or added to the body and sourced there. Devonian Wombat (talk) 20:29, 7 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]